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Windsor or Cleveland?

RagTop

RagTop

Old Grumpy
I was just out to coffee with a Mustang buddy and the subject of 351 Ford engines came up. I opined that the 351C was first offered in the Mustang in 1970 and that all the 351 Mustangs in 1969 were Windsors. He said he knew several people who had '69 Mach 1s with original engines that were 351C equipped. IIRC the Cleveland engine was introduced in 1970 and all the M code Mustangs were 351Cs and the H codes were Ford's choice of a C or a W, depending on what they had available. So, which one of us is correct?
 
If you REALLY want to get technical tell him that the 351.9 cubic inch Ford V8 actually came out in 1958.
 
bartl said:
If you REALLY want to get technical tell him that the 351.9 cubic inch Ford V8 actually came out in 1958.
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I remember the 352s. They were the final iteration of the 292/312 engines. They were Y blocks IIRC. Not very imposing.
 
sorry ragtop but larry is right, the 352 was an FE engine, not a Y block.

OP you are also right, the 351c did not come out until 1970. 69 mustangs with the 351c are like mustang with the boss 302 in them. too many people do not know how to tell the difference.
 
Can't tell you how tired I get of people asking if my '69 302 is a Boss 302. The Boss 302 was a specific engine (Cleveland heads on a Windsor block) and was only offered in the SportsRoof body as a Boss 302. I can only wish that my '69 convertible was a Boss 302.
 
RagTop said:
Can't tell you how tired I get of people asking if my '69 302 is a Boss 302. The Boss 302 was a specific engine (Cleveland heads on a Windsor block) and was only offered in the SportsRoof body as a Boss 302. I can only wish that my '69 convertible was a Boss 302.
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People have no clue. I get that all the time. I told a guy last week that my original engine from my 70 was a 302 and he assumed it was a boss. Told me I was dumb to take a boss engine out to put in EFI. If I had a boss I don't think I would be doing that.

Seems whenever you say 69 or 70 and 302 everyone assumes is a boss. I wish!
 
What are the odds of that! They must be worth a fortune.

I bet I could put boss stripes on it and most people wouldn't even know. It would be funny to listen to people at shows that think they know everything tell their friends, "oh yeah that's a real boss convertible........I used to own one just like it. "
 
yes, it is funny to hear the stories people tell.
I grew up dreaming of Mustangs and while I don't know every detail of Mustang models and their history I have a pretty good understanding. I used to try to politely "educate" people when they would discuss crazy stuff around me but I have given up. Unless they just ask me I let them ramble on.
 
RapidRabbit said:
What are the odds of that! They must be worth a fortune.

I bet I could put boss stripes on it and most people wouldn't even know. It would be funny to listen to people at shows that think they know everything tell their friends, "oh yeah that's a real boss convertible........I used to own one just like it. "
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Someone beat you to it. I was at a show a couple of years ago and there were three '69-'70 convertibles in the field. Mine, another '69 in which the owner had installed a Denny's booth for upholstery, and a '70 which the owner had designated a "Boss 302 tribute car" down to the classic '70 Boss 302 hood and side stripes. The guy won the best '69-'70 convertible award.
 
You can tell the fake Boss convertibles because their rear wing is installed backwards.
 
I keep getting people telling me that a 68 did not come from the factory with a 351W. I just tell them of course it did not. I the one who built it and put it in. Maybe I should also tell them it came with a 302 so they can wonder why I remove a Boss engine.
 
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