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Clone value - Original vs Dynacorn

Here is a good example of how things can go left in a hurry. This is why you build a car because you want to not to make cash. If you want to soften your loss potential you build it in a way it will appeal to the masses and what is market desirable. I hope this car does not belong to anyone here as I'm sure what I am to type will be offensive to them. I am just stating facts and my opinion.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-M...ash=item212c35a523:g:kKIAAOSwKTBZc6TP&vxp=mtr

This seller says he is into this one $55k. Easy to believe even at the mostly stock level of the restoration. None of the typical restomod type upgrades. Stock suspension and drive train, near as I can tell from pics and description. Asking price is very high (about 15% less than he says he's into it). Reality is this car would be hard to sell at even $30k for a number of reasons, the primary being questionable engine/trans and some really poor cosmetic choices. Silver interior? Really? Whatever. Point being there is nothing about this car that would make a buyer willing to pay much for it. Especially when the market has plenty of much better options available.

Here are just a couple selling side by side on eBay right now. Which would you choose? There are also a number of rollers and unmolested originals in decent shape for about a third this guys asking price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-Ford-M...ash=item4d60e25f64:g:3ZEAAOSw8VJZi8BI&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-Ford-M...ash=item3f83e9d3e8:g:caYAAOSwS41Ze0ys&vxp=mtr
 
kb3 said:
Do not let my wife see Jeff's estimate, as I feel it is a fairly close representation as to actual costs. I can say the numbers will float up and down quite a bit, for example I had to pay nearly $1,000 just for a decent set of stainless window trim for the fastback. Since I built a car from a shell (albeit not a Dynacorn) I can tell you first hand how all the pieces add up. When I purchased the 65 shell, I could have purchased a complete car for about $3K more, but was tapped out at the time and felt I could find all the parts, boy how I wish I could turn back time.

I am not foolish enough to think that I could ever sell the car for what we have in it, even if I discount my labor to zero. We built the car to own and drive. Hopefully the boy will keep it in the family well after I am dead and buried, then he can share with his mother how much we spent on it![/QUOTE

Ken:
your secret is safe with me !!!! lol
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I see Jason is offering the new Ecoboost engines in his cars now. Find that interesting. Must be a certain buyer for such. Anyone here go that path if you were in the market for a CR car? I can't see opting for that as opposed to a great sounding old school V8 myself.
 
A buddy of mine bought a '67 C code convertible that had been cloned into a 390c.i. GTA. The car is in black lacquer and has the ivy gold interior. It is flat gorgeous. When he shows the car you have to mop up the puddles of drool around where it was parked. People love it. The car was cloned by a mutual friend who does Mustang restoration and the execution is flawless. On the other hand, I'm always running into things like Shelby clones done on a coupe body or other equally disgusting abuses of Mustangs. In Reno last week there was a guy with a '65 that he had turned into a station wagon. Good workmanship, lousy concept. As far as the S code goes, it never really got me all stirred up. Now, if the car were a Q code or an R code, then you're talking some concern about keeping the car in some semblance of stock shape. 390s were big blocks, but Ford wouldn't have introduced the 428 CJs if the 390s had been worth their weight.
 
Horseplay said:
I see Jason is offering the new Ecoboost engines in his cars now. Find that interesting. Must be a certain buyer for such. Anyone here go that path if you were in the market for a CR car? I can't see opting for that as opposed to a great sounding old school V8 myself.
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Yeah, it might be difficult at a car show with your hood up. Of course you might be able to buy a chrome dress up kit for a 2.3L Ford 4 banger.
 
RagTop said:
A buddy of mine bought a '67 C code convertible that had been cloned into a 390c.i. GTA. The car is in black lacquer and has the ivy gold interior. It is flat gorgeous. When he shows the car you have to mop up the puddles of drool around where it was parked. People love it. The car was cloned by a mutual friend who does Mustang restoration and the execution is flawless. On the other hand, I'm always running into things like Shelby clones done on a coupe body or other equally disgusting abuses of Mustangs. In Reno last week there was a guy with a '65 that he had turned into a station wagon. Good workmanship, lousy concept. As far as the S code goes, it never really got me all stirred up. Now, if the car were a Q code or an R code, then you're talking some concern about keeping the car in some semblance of stock shape. 390s were big blocks, but Ford wouldn't have introduced the 428 CJs if the 390s had been worth their weight.
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Ken:

That Black convertible is the one Paul built, isn't it? If so, I have seen it and drooled around it too !!
 
JeffTepper said:
Ken:

That Black convertible is the one Paul built, isn't it? If so, I have seen it and drooled around it too !!
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Yes. Paul was meticulous when he built that car. Dave bought it from the guy who Paul built it for, and has had it ever since. It is a great looking car, but Dave never got the point of the car being a C code, even though it was completely converted to a 390 GTA physically. Nonetheless, I wouldn't mind owning it. BTW, Dave and I went head to head with his 390 and my 302 convertible. I beat him three out of three races.:D
 
Easy there guys. Some of my best friends are coupe owners.;) What I was referring to was the guys who clone a Shelby on a coupe platform, down to the stripes. I don't think Shelby ever built a coupe version, so it looks kind of dumb. If you coupe guys would be less sensitive about it, there's a guy locally who has a '70 convertible with all the Boss 302 striping on it. He says it's a Boss 302 tribute car, but I've yet to see a Boss 302 convertible, besides this guy's investment in a lot of vinyl. Nice vert, bad idea.
 
ragtop have you ever looked at california special? the only thing missing from that car is the over the top stripes.
 
The original '68 Cal Specials were factory installed exterior trim packages. Performance features (GT package/ Disc Brakes/ HD suspension/ etc) were either optional or N/A (fiberglass front end/ Roll bar/inertia reel shoulder belts/etc) on the Cal Specials.
My sense is that if one is building a "Tribute" type car to increase its value, the cost of the tribute parts is more or less the same no matter what body style, so why not get full value by building something that is a tribute to an actual car rather than a "If Shelby built a......." car?
If one is building a "Tribute" car for themselves without regard to future value than the "it's your car, do what you want" applies.

I recall seeing a '70 convertible with Mach 1 trim on a local used car lot several years ago. The dealer insisted it was a rare Mach 1. It sat on the lot for quite some time probably due to the "rare" asking price.
 
RagTop said:
Easy there guys. Some of my best friends are coupe owners.;) What I was referring to was the guys who clone a Shelby on a coupe platform, down to the stripes. I don't think Shelby ever built a coupe version, so it looks kind of dumb. If you coupe guys would be less sensitive about it, there's a guy locally who has a '70 convertible with all the Boss 302 striping on it. He says it's a Boss 302 tribute car, but I've yet to see a Boss 302 convertible, besides this guy's investment in a lot of vinyl. Nice vert, bad idea.
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I'm not sensitive. Just pulling your chain. AND There were Shelby coupes. In Mexico.
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plus the two "prototype" cars, Little Red and the Green Hornet. Little Red was destroyed but the Green Hornet still exists and as Jeff referred to, led to the California Special. The GT/CS cars were not full on Shelby body mods like the prototypes or the Mexican Shelby's but if someone wants to build a car that never really existed I don't see an issue with that. Mustangs are among the most customized/modified cars built. I think a Mach 1 vert or a Boss vert would be cool. A Boss coupe too. Heck a Boss 429 Shelby vert would be wicked! But that's just my opinon and as I have one you are entitled to yours. I find mostly just "Mustang" people are the ones who "hate" on the non original, modified, clone, restomods, etc. The general public seem to Love "Eleanor" cars or Shelby Clones or whatever. Of course anyone trying to pass off one of these "tributes" as real should be ashamed. It is what it is. And after all, Shelby originally just took the Ford Mustang off the assembly line and modified it. So Clone if done well is the same but without the heritage. It's no less of a nice car IMHO
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Pics of the prototype "Little Red"
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