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A/C eliminator pullies

AzPete

AzPete

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So.....I have had a previous owner master screw up on this car since I purchased it and have decided it is time to fix it. The PO has been running a standard direction water pump with a smooth pulley using the ribbed side of the serpentine belt. This setup allowed him to run a short belt in the basic triangle with the crank, alt, and w/p. Local short trips and all day driving around town and all is well. Now, after 10,000 miles on it, I have found a little problem. Yesterday I drove at highway speeds of 55-60 for the 85 mile trip out of town, All was good. On the return trip, all was good until we picked up to 65-70 as a steady speed. First time at those extended speeds. My temp had a steady increase with no loss of fluids on ill effects. Ran around 215-220 real steady. All was good after returning to town and allowing the car to cool good. BTW, damn nice drive all day.

What I figured was happening, was the belt was slipping a bit on the w/p pulley being it was smooth on the ribbed side of the belt. This slowed the water flow even though I had cooling air flow, the water could not circulate to cool the engine properly. The car has a flex fan.

Now, since I will not get A/C for a while, I need to install an eliminator bracket and get the reverse flow w/p and a new fan and belt. This will solve this odd warming problem at high speeds and get me one step closer to the a/c setup. Such fun....

Does anyone have a picture of said bracket on a 302 from the early '80s with just alt, crank, and w/p? It looks to be a flat bracket and it relocates the tensioner pulley to be the combo tensioner and idler in place of the a/c. Looks easy to duplicate if I had a pattern from someones that is not installed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Trick-Flow-51500600-A-C-Eliminator-BracketFord-Mustang_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5ad8177d51QQitemZ390172474705QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_3204wt_897

Long way to get to the end..............
 
Pete,

It sounds like I'm running similar setup to what you've got...alt, water pump, and crank. I went with a March bracket for the alt, and an idler pulley for where the PS normally is. I'll get a pic of the setup when I get home tonight. Here's a pic I found on March's website that looks similar to what I'm running (except I'm running BBK underpulley's instead of their aluminum ones)!!
 
I was looking at those but I am cheap.....and not needing the bling being that I drive it so much. The one I posted is flat, reuses the old idler/tensioner and looks easy to duplicate.
 
Pete, I noticed in the Coil thread today that Paul (6t6red) has that exact bracket:

http://www.stangfix.com/testforum/index.php/topic,6217.msg74765.html#msg74765

He's basically doing what you're talking about. As we've discussed in the past, I have the same problem you have, only mine is screwed up in a wholly different way :) Fortunately for me, mine is screwed up, but has the Reverse Turn Waterpump on it, so I won't have to get a new waterpump to correct this.

I also like the turnbuckle alternator mounts he has, so I'll probably switch to something like that.

I'm seriously considering ordering the TF bracket from summit. If I do, I'll make a cardboard template for you (Or even ship it down for you to borrow if you're serious about making your own) before I install it on my car.

I'd love to get rid of my giant hideous bracket with the idler pulley in the sky.

Gotta decide soon. I'll let you know.
 
I have been conversing with Paul since I saw that same picture. I have all the info to order the complete alt/A/C eliminator setup. I will also need the same fan he has plus the water pump. I will also change out the timing chain cover due to PO stupidity. Ahhhh, the fun of it.
 
March has changed the brackets slightly since Paul bought his. In his pic the turnbuckle attached to a bolt under the idler pulley bracket. The new kits include a shorter turn buckle that bolts to the top center water pump bolt. When i ordered mine, the pic showed the longer bolt, but the turnbuckle was the shorter one. I called and talked with March and they've redesigned the setup.

Also, i don't know which alt you're running...but the March alt brackets don't work with the 3g alts. i had to ditch mine for a 2g, until I can get a small chunk of aluminum and make my own bracket for the turnbuckle to attach to.
 
"AzPete" said:
I have been conversing with Paul since I saw that same picture. I have all the info to order the complete alt/A/C eliminator setup. I will also need the same fan he has plus the water pump. I will also change out the timing chain cover due to PO stupidity. Ahhhh, the fun of it.
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So you're just gonna buy the bracket then? I thought, like you mentioned, it looks crazy easy to build that out of a piece of plate-steel, but then I saw the price at Summit and figured, WTH, saving 15 bucks at this point (Gonna have to buy the bolts, spacers, and steel) isn't going to matter one iota in the soaring costs of this hobby, LOL.

If you decide you want to try and make your own, let me know. I'll still be happy to trace or ship mine whenever I get it. it'd be cheap to ship in a flat-rate postal box.
 
"AzPete" said:
Got a picture of that turnbuckle on your engine?
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Here's the best I could do. The upper rad hose is right in the way:
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I have talked to pete and steve about my set-up. I didn't realize March changed their turnbuckle set-up but that shouldn't matter much. I used a different pulley set-up on the ac eliminator bracket but they say to put your tensioner on it. Here is some links and pics. that may help for those that are interested in changing over their set-up for reverse rotation w/p. Hope it helps.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MCH-1465/?rtype=10
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TFS-51500600/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DER-17417/
I can't find the fan spacer p/n but I used a 1 inch spacer kit that came with the bolts and spacer. Just ask them and they will know which one for Ford application.
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Darn those pics came out big on preview(sorry)
 
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