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Engine/body: Crossing Brands...Speak up!

AtlantaSteve

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Even though I am a mustang enthusiast, and have been since I got my car at 16, more years ago than I care to remember (still seems like yesterday!) I actually kinda "grew up" involved in the street-rod world. The guy who taught me to do a lot of basic stuff had a '36 Dodge (that he bought when HE was 16) with a chevy 327 and Turbo 350 to a Ford 8". He was a true street-rodder, and a lot of my early experience with cars was involved in that world. I would pick up a mustang magazine every now and again, but I subscribed to Street Rodder.

At the time, the way to get your car into Mustang Monthly was to make sure your seat belts had the right date-code for your VIN. No offense to the concourse crowd, but nothing bored me more than that, so I spent my days reading Street Rodder, and thinking of ways to bring that mentality to my mustang.

Then I spent a lot of time out of the car hobby, and came back to find that the "Resto modded" mustang had become popular, and I was very happy!

But one thing that is insanely prevalent in the Street Rod world, that is almost unseen in our world, is cross branding engines. The SBC engine was just the most common engine, whether you were building a Ford, an Olds, or a Chevy. It would PROBABLY have some variant of the SBC in it. And you'd also see (to a much lesser degree) SBF engines being dropped in other brands. There was no sin in crossing engine brands.

In our world, if I came on here and said I got a FREE Chevy 350 or LS-X engine, and was going to drop it in the Mustang, I think I'd be flamed right out of existence.

SO, my questions to you all are:
1) What is your opinion of crossing engine brands?

2) If you're a brand loyalist (Chevy engines in Chevy Cars, Ford Engines in Ford Cars) Why? Is there a REASON it's wrong to cross brands, or is it just a gut feeling?

My take? I'm a lot more lenient on it than I've seen some people around here. A year or so back I saw a thread on Pro-touring.com of a guy who was building an LS powered mustang (though it was basically a mustang body being put on a tube frame, IIRC) When I saw that he was using an LS engine I was kind of turned off, til I read WHAT he was trying to do...and that was build a car as cheaply as he could, using mostly stuff he had around his house. He had an LS engine, so that's what he used. He got a mustang body cheap, so that's what he used. Once I understood that he was building this, I understood his motivation, and was fine that it was GM powered. So under the circumstances, I was fine with it.

That said, I'd never use an off brand in my car. and I can't really explain why, except to say it just seems WRONG.

I look forward to hearing other people's opinions...
 
Seeing a '32 Ford (or similar rod) with the typical SBC turns me off. Not to say that their car isn't worthy, it just doesn't attract my attention. Now, the same car with an early Chrysler Hemi gives me wood. Originality really makes the difference to me for that era.

As for the muscle car era, I pretty much like to keep with the same manufacturer for the engine. I just cannot imagine getting excited over a GTO with a Ford engine. It just doesn't work for me. Now, that said, I think the GM LS motors are awesome, and have no problem with seeing them under the hood of a 60s era Chevrolet.

Anything mid 70s or newer, I couldn't care less about.
 
COOL topic!
I'm a gear head plain and simple. I have always loved Mustangs and I agree with your statement about concourse cars. I'm glad they exist but don't boar me with them.
I grew up wrenching on anything my dad would drag home. I have a passion for the mechanical design. I think the LS series engines are great, cheap and full of potential. That being said, I have always been a little turned off by the SBC because anyone can build one. I like a challenge, I think there are a lot of good engines out there and would love to spank Chevy's with an Olds, Buick, Pontiac, Ford and even Mopar powered street rod. I'm not loyal to brand so much, I once stuffed a Buick V6 into a Jeep, I also stuffed a Buick V6 into a Chevy Monza. The Buick V6 is a cool engine, especially the Turbo version. I recall back in the day, when the Cadillac NorthStar came out and I thought is was a great design. I would have loved to play with one. Anyway, I'm not a purist. I have a 1970 429 in my 67 but it is a Ford. I think there are plenty of Ford engines with potential that I can't see stuffing a Chevy in a Ford. In most cases I think the SBF is better than a SBC so why put a SBC in a Mustang? The LS deal was kinda cool and I can admire it but I would rather build up a 4.6 and and take him on! Sure it would cost more and be more difficult to get a 4.6 to perform like an LS7 but wouldn't be more rewarding when you kick his butt?!?!
 
I almost forgot to mention, I also had a 65 Le Mans with a straight 6. The frame was rusted bad by the trans mount. I swapped the whole chassis with a Olds Cutlass that had disc brakes, sway bars and a Olds Rocket 350 4V!
 
If you happen upon a free LS-X and need a home for it, the Tahoe could use a transplant. :weas

I think I got a pretty decent 302 that will need a new home in the coming months.
 
"tarafied1" said:
I almost forgot to mention, I also had a 65 Le Mans with a straight 6. ...
I've always had a hankerin' for one of those OHC sixes, never had an opportunity to drive one. How'd you like it?
 
I don't like the brand crossing. Keep it with the same manufacturer unless you're doing some kind of rat rod like J.

Hey Sluggo, let's tackle two at once. I'm wanting to stuff a 350 in my '98 blazer. The only issue I have yet to get an answer on (besides me having the cash) is how the 4x4 diff. is gonna affect everything.
 
"blue65coupe" said:
I don't like the brand crossing. Keep it with the same manufacturer unless you're doing some kind of rat rod like J.

Hey Sluggo, let's tackle two at once. I'm wanting to stuff a 350 in my '98 blazer. The only issue I have yet to get an answer on (besides me having the cash) is how the 4x4 diff. is gonna affect everything.

I'm sure there's kits for that...no?
 
I haven't found exactly what I need that takes the differential into account. The kits are out there for the swap but most of the swaps are done on RWD vehicles. I haven't found a "bolt and go" type kit for the 4wd. Doesn't mean there isn't one, just means I haven't found it.
 
I hate the cross branding of engines to frames/bodies.

It seems to me that many want the Ford look body but want the least expensive (read..easy to get) engine meaning a Chevy.

I'm more impressed with the HotRodder that uses the correct manufacturer's engine be it GM or Ford or Chrysler but not crossed :rp.
 
My Dad falls in the crossing over catagory. He is a Chevy guy - he sticks SBC in everything he builds. Mainly because they ARE cheap and parts are so interchangeable.

I guess I am on the fence on this one myself. I'm not a purist by any means. Though I don't like seeing a brand X motor in a Mustang. Though I don't mind seeing a SBF, say in a GM product - mainly because you don't see that very much. Guess maybe I am a slight hypocrite :)
 
OK here's an extra twist.

My brother's first car was a 1971 Olds 442. He still has it, and is currently restoring it. His goal is to replace the 455 with an LS-6 engine.

He has replaced or rebuilt his 455 7 or 8 times since he got the car. He built them to go, and the lower end just could never handle the power. Plus reliability and gas mileage have always been crap. He can get more power, cheaper, more reliable, and much better gas mileage from the LS Engine...but it would not be an Olds engine...just a GM.

Is that crossing the branding, or is that ok?
 
I think that would be cool...


"Dennis Harrelson" said:
I've always had a hankerin' for one of those OHC sixes, never had an opportunity to drive one. How'd you like it?
unfortuneately it wasn't running and I didn't bother with it. The frame was bad and that's how I got it cheap. I junked the original Pontiac stuff (didn't know if could be valuable someday).
 
My thoughts are that it depends on the vehicle. While it may be okay to swap a Chevy 350 into one '66 Mustang, it may seem stupid in a different '66 Mustang.


My son Joe's '57 F100 is running a Chevy big block and TH400 trans. I have no problems with this Ford truck having a GM powerplant.
 
I'm not a fan of brand crossing. I've seen some wicked street rods and as I walk around and get to the engine and see a dime a dozen SBC in there, I kinda loose respect for it. Nothing wrong with it, to each their own, just not to my liking.
 
How's about the Nissan Skyline i6 they put in the mustang in "Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift"

Of course, for the actual shoot, they used 351W powered mustangs ;)
 
"Gigantopithecus" said:
Just don't stick a Honda Vtec lawnmower engine in the mustang. Then we'll have to hunt you down.
Is nissan cool?

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I agree that the standard SBC can make the hole car lose some respect, but for certain cars, it kinda works. Like when that pro-touring dude stuck this:

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into:

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and ended up with:

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