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No Title or Regst, How to Verify?

DEL65

DEL65

Of The Morons
My friend is interested in purchasing a 67 Camaro project. Local Calif car and not registered in 20+ yrs. The owner, who said he's had the car for 10+ yrs, does not have a title, registration, or a bill of sale in his name. The only docs he produced were some very old registration slips from an unknown P.O. Seller has not applied for a Duplicate Title. He has no his name or any way to show he's connected to the veh.

I did check the Natl Insurance Crime Bureau's site and the VIN search came back clean.
https://www.nicb.org/theft_and_fraud_aw ... k/vincheck

Question: Any other way to independently verify who's name is on the title and rule out it is a long-ago stolen car? Thanks.
 
John:

As to your question about "long ago stolen car", if the car's VIN was ever in the system as stolen, it should still be there. I recall a couple of recent news articles about stolen cars being recovered 40+ years later so it seems that the DOJ Stop remains until it is cleared.

As for the the chain of ownership question, assuming that the old registration is California, unless someone put the car on "Planned Non-Operation" years ago, it is likely that the car is no longer in the DMV system. (A check with DMV will confirm that easily). To get the car titled off of the old registration, your buddy needs to start with the last owner of record. If he is still alive/around, whatever information about the first owner "off record" is available may get the ball rolling. From there building the chain of ownership with bills of sale through each subsequent "off record" owner until you get to the guy who now claims to be the rightful owner is one way to do it. Hopefully no lien holders are part of that chain or they may need to be paid off. Practically speaking, without documentation, the guy has no proof it is his car so buying it from him is a roll of the dice, especially if your buddy wants to register it for the street and eventually to sell it with a proper title.

Alternatively, sworn affidavits by the guy claiming to be the rightful owner and a title bond may get your buddy a title eventually. Make no mistake, someone will need to do some leg work to clear the title issued. Is it that nice of a car to be worth the trouble?

Regards, Jeff
 
Craig, I think Bill wants to restore the 67 convertible that he owns.

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Oh I know, just wanted to give Bill some $hit by accusing him of going over to the dark side.
 
thanks to the ineptitude of the California DMV, it is not as difficult as it may seem. A car that is not in the system is actually fairly simple. I have done it twice in the last couple of years. It is a risk that they may say no or want more info, but maybe the seller will let the buyer try it before exchanging money. All you need is a peace officer to sign off the DMV form showing that the car and VIN are actually existing and then a simple bill of sale from the seller is all that is needed. A quick trip to the DMV and a new title is issued. Yes, you could go to the trouble of chasing down the path of previous owners, but since it is not in the DMV system....they wouldn't know if it is 1 or 20 previous owners.
 
Hi Ken, so all you need is a VIN verification, bill of sale, and an inspection by the police? Which DMV form does the cop sign? The Camaro does not run, so whomever would have to visit to the seller's house in Salida CA. Or trailer it to the PD, I suppose. Thanks.
 
"DEL65" said:
Hi Ken, so all you need is a VIN verification, bill of sale, and an inspection by the police? Which DMV form does the cop sign? The Camaro does not run, so whomever would have to visit to the seller's house in Salida CA. Or trailer it to the PD, I suppose. Thanks.
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Here in Texas there is a similar process but they won't come to you.

When issues of this nature come up you have to take the vehicle to particular DPS locations.

They don't care if you drive it in or trailer it in....
 
John,
When I bought Shag from a church, the car was not in DMV records anymore, so I had to have a local CHP officer come over to confirm the VIN number on the car matched the paperwork.
 
"DEL65" said:
Hi Ken, so all you need is a VIN verification, bill of sale, and an inspection by the police? Which DMV form does the cop sign? The Camaro does not run, so whomever would have to visit to the seller's house in Salida CA. Or trailer it to the PD, I suppose. Thanks.
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John,

I don't remember the actual form, but it is a VIN verification form. It has a place for you to fill out some info, and then the officer fills out info on where the VIN plate is, etc. If you know an officer they will come to you. If you don't have any luck finding one, let me know......I have a few relatives at the local PD.
 
"kb3" said:
"DEL65" said:
Hi Ken, so all you need is a VIN verification, bill of sale, and an inspection by the police? Which DMV form does the cop sign? The Camaro does not run, so whomever would have to visit to the seller's house in Salida CA. Or trailer it to the PD, I suppose. Thanks.
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John,

......I have a few relatives at the local PD.
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Ken:

So, is it safe to assume that you don't have some relatives actually in custody??? :hide
 
I heard Ken owns some fuzzy handcuffs, so you never know what goes on behind his closed doors.
 
"JeffTepper" said:
"kb3" said:
"DEL65" said:
Hi Ken, so all you need is a VIN verification, bill of sale, and an inspection by the police? Which DMV form does the cop sign? The Camaro does not run, so whomever would have to visit to the seller's house in Salida CA. Or trailer it to the PD, I suppose. Thanks.
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John,

......I have a few relatives at the local PD.
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Ken:

So, is it safe to assume that you don't have some relatives actually in custody??? :hide
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you know what they say about assumptions.....
 
"cmayna" said:
I heard Ken owns some fuzzy handcuffs, so you never know what goes on behind his closed doors.
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hey now....the only problem is that she never lets me have the keys.
 
I sincerely hope that someday I will be able to start an informative thread that does not devolve to some completely unrelated perverse subject.
 
(J.K., by the way)

Thanks for the info Ken, I found the DMV VIN form on their site. I forwarded all the info to my friend.
 
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