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1969 fastback engine options

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MrBigBoss

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Hey guys I'll be picking up a 69 fastback and the current engine that's in it is a 351 Cleveland. I'd like to swap it for the coyote 5.0.... From what I read it looks like I'll have to mod the suspension which I was gonna either way. I saw a basic coyote is around $6,000. There's a few other things I'll need plus tranny, which brings me to the next question what tranny would work best with the new 5.0? Also I'm kinda intrigued by the boss 5.0 which is roughly $10,000. Is it worth the extra cash? That way I could theoretically name it a Boss 302 :) The reason I'm debating engines is I want a nice strong reliable engine that'll last a long. Roughly 400hp at the wheels. I'm questioning the 351c that's in it now...can that engine give me what I'm looking for?
 
If you go Coyote, it won't be cheap. $6000 for the engine, $1600 for the ECU, and I don't even know what a clutch and trans would cost. MT-82 is what backs it from the factory. Then you'll need to remove the shock towers and convert to a coilover or MII front suspension too. If you do go this way, I don't think the Boss 5.0 is worth an extra $4K. It's only 30ish HP more and raises your usable RPM band.

I think the Cleveland would be sweet. You can save your shock towers and stock type suspension, and have a motor very few people have. You can make the same or more power for about half the cost too. These folks make some pretty sweet Cleveland parts:

http://www.chiheads.com.au/

I have the new 5.0 in my 2011 and I love it, but if I had a 69 with a Cleveland, I sure as hell wouldn't change it.
 
+1

Isn't Rusty Gillis doing a Coyote in a 69 for a magazine article. I think I recall him posting about it.

A Coyote in a 9 would be sweet but cost a ton of dollars.
 
When u guys say the swap would cost a lot.... How much is roughly? I'd like to modernize the car a bit so the suspension with brakes be getting swapped either way. I too was thinking that the boss 302 wasn't worth it but wasn't sure about the details. So I'd have to use the new 6speed with the coyote then? I'd rather have newer mechanical things on the car for drivability. Or should I rebuild the 351c and keep it with a carb? It'll be a long project as I plan to totally redo the whole entire car.
 
I'd estimate at least $10-12k for engine, ecu, clutch and trans. The entire swap project should have you well over $15k. I believe there are other transmissions that will fit, the aftermarket works quick, but the MT-82 has great ratios for 5.0.

You could run aftermarket EFI on your Cleveland to achieve your desired drivability and goals.
 
http://mustangforums.com/forum/classic- ... stall.html

I don't see any reason to do the swap unless you're dead set on the Coyote motor for some reason. It will be easier and cheaper to make power with the Cleveland. And just because the stock suspension is dated doesn't mean it isn't a good starting point. If you really wanted to, you could update to the Street or Track coilover and big brake kit, and you wouldn't have to resort to a MII suspension.
 
Thanks guys for the advice. If I can make the 351 pushing 450hp without giving me trouble then I wouldn't go for the coyote. I'm just curious how streetable it would be with that much power. It would piss me off if I couldn't drive it on a regular basis with this engine. Also is it possible to make the 69 handle similar to today's sport cars? I would imagine yes since Id be starting with a lighter car. The new stang is roughly 500lbs heavier from what I read. My goal is to have a pretty fast awesome handling vintage American classic :)
 
I am considering the same thing you are above. I have a 67 vert that I plan on installing the Heidts front and independent rear suspension with the Coyote motor ( maybe the Boss). I just finished up a 65 fastback with A Ford SEFI fuel injection system, A T5 trans, TCI front and rear suspension. It starts and runs like a new car and handles better than most new cars. 400 plus streetable HP.

After the 65, I can't see me ever going back to carburetors and old school tech unless I am doing a true restoration.
 
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