Registration biennial Fees (CALIFORNIA)

[StangFix]

Senate Bill 460, introduced by Democratic state Sen. Jim Beall , would amend the California Vehicle Code that currently requires vehicle owners to pay registration fees once a year.
Passage of the bill would allow Department of Motor Vehicles to “establish a biennial registration period for a vehicle, with subsequent renewals being required at biennial intervals thereafter, as specified” on or after Jan. 1, 2020.

California lawmakers propose every-other-year vehicle registration

Drivers in California could potentially register their vehicles every other year, if a proposed state Senate bill passes.

www.10news.com

 

[FordDude]

Just heard this on news radio. They want to do it to save manpower because the DMV is so far behind because of the ID card or something.

fd

 

[kb3]

No doubt there will not be a reduction in fees....just have to pay twice as much every two years. Man am I going to hate sending them $1,600 in registration fees every other year on my pickup!

 

[JeffTepper]

The language contained in the link in the OP's post recites language identical to language implemented in 1975 at which time California converted to year round vehicle registration (from year end registration) with prorated fees for the 18 month conversion period. I haven't read if the details in Beall's bill will prorate existing annual fees or double them. Perhaps a deeper review of the nuts and bolts might reveal the fiscal impact on the taxpayers.

Being the pragmatist, IMHO all the behavior modification techniques (tax credits, rebates, and car pool access for single occupant hybrid cars) that have been implemented to incentivize hybrids and electric cars have been too successful resulting in critical loss of gasoline taxes thereby sending the legislators back into the smoke filled rooms where they cooked up another "fee" to finance mass transit on the backs of the Internal Combustion engines. and their hapless drivers. Has anyone checked to see what it actually costs per passenger mile (without Federal and State subsidies) to run the mass transit in this state? I suggest the answer would be shocking.

 

[FordDude]

More taxes...


Taxing Uber and Lyft rides is L.A. County's latest idea to free up congested roads
By LAURA J. NELSON
FEB 26, 2019 | 12:50 PM

Kristine Valenzuela exits a Uber at Union Station in Los Angeles. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)

Transportation officials are considering a tax on Uber and Lyft rides in Los Angeles County, saying the Bay Area tech companies don’t pay their fair share to maintain public streets and exacerbate congestion in a traffic-choked region.
The ride-hailing fee is in the early stages of discussion at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, along with more than a dozen other strategies to manage congestion and fund transportation projects before the 2028 Olympic Games.

fd

 

[msell66]

I am so sick of the phrase “fair share”. Such bullshit.

 

[RagTop]

The language contained in the link in the OP's post recites language identical to language implemented in 1975 at which time California converted to year round vehicle registration (from year end registration) with prorated fees for the 18 month conversion period. I haven't read if the details in Beall's bill will prorate existing annual fees or double them. Perhaps a deeper review of the nuts and bolts might reveal the fiscal impact on the taxpayers.

Being the pragmatist, IMHO all the behavior modification techniques (tax credits, rebates, and car pool access for single occupant hybrid cars) that have been implemented to incentivize hybrids and electric cars have been too successful resulting in critical loss of gasoline taxes thereby sending the legislators back into the smoke filled rooms where they cooked up another "fee" to finance mass transit on the backs of the Internal Combustion engines. and their hapless drivers. Has anyone checked to see what it actually costs per passenger mile (without Federal and State subsidies) to run the mass transit in this state? I suggest the answer would be shocking.

Mass transit in CA is a boondoggle from top to bottom, including Jerry Brown's bullet train to Bakersfield. I check every publicly funded bus that I see to determine what the passenger load is and it is almost universally 1 or 2 (and frequently 0) people. So the public is operating an expensive welfare system for the bus drivers and their unions. I was once in a Veteran's Day parade with the mayor of a Bay Area city as my passenger. She was also a member of the board for Wheels, a Tri-Valley area public bus system. She told me that the system received most of its revenue from the toll box and I couldn't help myself and called B.S. Either she had no actual idea of how public transportation is funded or she thought she could just lie to me. These systems are all based on public subsidies. In other words we all pay for some guy or gal to drive a huge bus around our cities and counties that is basically dead empty, serving virtually no one, and we contribute to air pollution at the same time. Great deal for the taxpayer. I would even prefer to subsidize taxis or Ubers for individual door to door service since it would be on demand and not out cruising the streets with no passengers. I attended a C of C luncheon in Pleasanton and was seated next to the CEO of Wheels. All he could talk about was the great improvement they had made by installing dark tint on the windows of all their buses. That would ostensibly be to cover the fact that the buses were EMPTY!

 

[RagTop]

More taxes...


Taxing Uber and Lyft rides is L.A. County's latest idea to free up congested roads
By LAURA J. NELSON
FEB 26, 2019 | 12:50 PM

Kristine Valenzuela exits a Uber at Union Station in Los Angeles. (Francine Orr / Los Angeles Times)

Transportation officials are considering a tax on Uber and Lyft rides in Los Angeles County, saying the Bay Area tech companies don’t pay their fair share to maintain public streets and exacerbate congestion in a traffic-choked region.
The ride-hailing fee is in the early stages of discussion at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, along with more than a dozen other strategies to manage congestion and fund transportation projects before the 2028 Olympic Games.

fd

Excellent insight into the minds of our "public servants". The unelected transportation officials seem to conflate Bay Area tech companies with the lousy traffic conditions in L.A. (only 400 miles away) and think that Uber and Lyft and the people who use those services need to pay with additional taxation. When does this idiocy ever stop?

 

[Horseplay]

What they are actually referring to is that an Uber or Lyft is using the roadways in a much greater capacity than a typical commuter car owner might and therefore should be forking over more money. What they fail to recognize is that each of those Uber trips could represent another vehicle on the road. So if an Uber driver logged six fares each day he could be SAVING the roads from that many more privately operated cars. Additionally, the vast majority of Uber and Lyft drivers operate newish vehicles that are much more fuel efficient than the old beaters their riders might operate otherwise thereby creating less environmental "damage" as a result as well.
All this is about is finding another way to tax another business even more. Simple as that.

 

[kb3]

The big thing being left off of this discussion is that huge gas tax that the Lyft and Uber drivers (as well as every driver) are currently paying to use the roads. Californians currently pay over 73 cents per gallon in taxes. California continues to spin downward.....more fuel efficient cars means we need to raise taxes on fuel....less cars on the road, raise taxes......less people in the state, raise taxes.

 

[Horseplay]

The big thing being left off of this discussion is that huge gas tax that the Lyft and Uber drivers (as well as every driver) are currently paying to use the roads. Californians currently pay over 73 cents per gallon in taxes. California continues to spin downward.....more fuel efficient cars means we need to raise taxes on fuel....less cars on the road, raise taxes......less people in the state, raise taxes.

What will the Liberals/Socialists do when there are not enough earners left from which to fund things? There are a whole lot of Blue States facing this very real issue. We both live in a couple of the very worst.

 

[Midlife]

What will the Liberals/Socialists do when there are not enough earners left from which to fund things? There are a whole lot of Blue States facing this very real issue. We both live in a couple of the very worst.

They'll do what the Republicans do when they are in power: simply print more money.

 

[msell66]

They'll do what the Republicans do when they are in power: simply print more money.

Come on man, they all think it grows from trees.

 

[Horseplay]

They'll do what the Republicans do when they are in power: simply print more money.

Like the Left's messiah Obama did with that $835 BILLION dollar stimulus package pulled out of our collective asses to give to his buddies like Solyndra? You know, the one that by their own admission created less jobs than if they had done nothing at all? Please, they are all fiscal fuck ups.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/02/17/the-five-biggest-failures-from-president-obamas-stimulus-law