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The new Mustang Mach-E

RapidRabbit

Well-Known Member
I'm getting sick of all the crossovers. And dragging the mustang name into it is stupid.

I'm ok with it being called the mach e, but leave out the mustang part.

I guess this is next then.

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guruatbol

Always on vacation!
They will phase out the Mustang in the next 10-15 years.

Sales are good but not that good.

I thing we are reliving 1974-1979.

Mel

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RapidRabbit

Well-Known Member
I saw these online today. I am not a fan of the big floating tablet on dashes now. That trend needs to go away. It's a car not a cell phone.



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B67FSTB

The NorCal dude from Belgium
Wonder how much input Ford did have on its own in this project.
The name ??
Bet its all Tesla beneath and under the hood !
 

B67FSTB

The NorCal dude from Belgium
As for the 4 door mustang.
Porsche was the first manufacturer which made a four door sportscar with his Panamera.
Mercedes followed with a Mercedes GT 4-door.
Why not was Ford thinking, I guess.
 

KBMWRS

Welcome truth back
Donator
Porsche fought the SUV craze for years. Then it finally did one and now those Porsche SUVs keep the sports cars flowing. Its the cash that keeps the company going.

Mustang may become a brand with several types of vehicles. GM is thinking the same with Corvette.
 

Horseplay

I Don't Care. Do you?
I read FORD was a big investor in the RIVIAN truck operation. Intention being to bring that tech into their own F-150 line. Might be in part whats happening with the E-Mach1. Have to look into it as I have had ZERO interest up to this point.

As far as the huge tablets on the dash, that is a trend to stay. As cars become more self operating people will need something to keep them entertained while be shuttled about like idiots. I don't understand though why designers can't at least try to integrate them into the surrounding area. So many look like they are just after thoughts velcroed in place.
 

chaser012001

66 408w, TKO600 coupe...in progress
Agree @Horseplay They look so haphazard. My wife has a Mazda 3 with a big tablet thing on the dash and it pisses me off everytime i see it. There is plenty of dash space that they could have integrated it better and not just dumped the stupid thing on the dash.

The other thing that's sad, aside from the war on manual transmissions, is that they seem to be phasing out gear levers in general. We were looking at getting an explorer but the gear selector is a dial. With EV's there wont even be that.
I guess on the bright side no one will know how to drive our cars with manual transmissions in 5-10 years so we wont have to worry so much about them being stolen...
 

Horseplay

I Don't Care. Do you?
I am finding myself wondering anymore about the future of our cars and the hobby in general. How much longer do we have before fuel stations and gas go the way of the pay phone? I always thought of our cars as not just fun but very much a stable investment as well. Have to wonder if that holds true as the kids of the 60's, 70's and 80's die off.
 

Mach1 Driver

Active Member
Just my opinion, but an electric car's battery range is too limited, it takes too long to recharge, they are too expensive, and electrics are just as bad, or even slightly worse for the environment than their gasoline counterparts.
Even when a standard design for charging emerges, it seems to me that the estimated cost of $540 per vehicle for the infrastructure is way low, and doesn’t consider the needed increase in capacity to the power grid and generating plants.
Other than that they're wonderful.
 

Horseplay

I Don't Care. Do you?
Just my opinion, but an electric car's battery range is too limited, it takes too long to recharge, they are too expensive, and electrics are just as bad, or even slightly worse for the environment than their gasoline counterparts.
Even when a standard design for charging emerges, it seems to me that the estimated cost of $540 per vehicle for the infrastructure is way low, and doesn’t consider the needed increase in capacity to the power grid and generating plants.
Other than that they're wonderful.
We're showing our age here I think. Time to face the truth that electric is the future and the future is here. Much of what you wrote isn't really accurate anymore. There are plenty of electric vehicle options that are on par with gas vehicles in terms of cost to own. Range limitations simply are not an issue. People use cars to commute to work and run errands, etc for 99% of a vehicle use. No one drives cross country anymore. A car with a couple hundred mile range (which is on the low side now) is more than capable for almost all.
Setting up the infrastructure questions/concerns are much more real but that will come as the market is headed that way and not stopping. in the interim, people will charge at home or at those public accessible locations for now and make do. Don't forget that the time is also coming where shared access and other forms of publicly available driver services will be more the norm. Even now, more and more people are foregoing car ownership in favor of more public means of travel.
 

Mach1 Driver

Active Member
Have you ever sat in the stands at the traps as two AA Fuelers blast past at 335 mph? The grand stand shakes, your body shakes, your chest vibrates and its an assault on your nervous system. Without ear protection you are in a serious hurt.
I'm an electrical engineer, and E cars don't go VAROOM !! All of what I said can be verified. Hybrids have a place, and little grocery getters that are little more than glorified golf carts, but until batteries are much better, I don't see them taking over, and its not like we haven't been trying to improve batteries for the last 100 years. Electrics are less than 3% and trying to mandate a change to an inadequate system will be a disaster. Maybe we need to think about changing to something else- maybe something like hydrogen, or Mr Fusion ;) Until all fossil fuels are gone there will be a place for them in cars and trucks because there is no other way to get that much power and range. The infrastructure is already there and there is big money behind it- it won't die easily. Our economy runs on oil. Even if we stop using it, the Third World sure as hell won't. It won't disappear in my grandchildren's lifetimes.

BTW- do you know how they lubricated steam engines in the 1800s before they figured out how (or why) to drill for oil? They swabbed them down with animal fat- tallow, whale oil, vegetable oil and whatever else was available. I wonder if I should use Crisco, Mazola, or Wesson on my E car?
 

kb3

Well-Known Member
I give it 15 years before gasoline powered cars are completely phased out. Oh wait, yep I live in California and that is what our governor has mandated. While I am not against clean burning cars, I think we have a long way to go in battery technology before they replace internal combustion engines. Price and range are the first things that need to be addressed. Then we need to figure out how to charge them without using the fossil fuels. Hydrogen may be a better option than electric, but the jury is still out on that. Anyone care to take a ride on the Hindenburg?
 

Horseplay

I Don't Care. Do you?
Let m be clear, I hate electric shit but that doesn't mean it will not take over. It's being pushed hard by the powers that be and they always win. Using the guise of environmental threat they've already won the minds of our younger generation. Ford introduced an electric "Mustang", for gods sake. It's just a matter of when. Looking at the data I'd guess in 30 years or so the scale tips.

Battery tech is certainly the hurdle but honestly I'd say the key component is actually cost. Once it becomes viable to do cost effective conversions or the availability of low cost used vehicles with life left in them happens it's over. Remember people used to think those first cars could never replace horses!
 

scedd

Well-Known Member
Look at what they are doing in OZ. We are blessed with a huge country with a small population, but that makes infrastructure difficult & expensive.
It's 1600 kms from Brisbane to Cairns in Queensland along the coast road, yet the first stage of the state gubberment Electric superhighway is now complete with 50 free charging stations installed. Next stage will have one every 60km's. Personally i think they are going the wrong way with recharging stations. What they should have is universal battery packs at every servo and you just pull up, slide out your battery and slide in a new one, then off you go. Same time and cost as filling with petrol and keeps the servo in business. give me a Hybrid Toyota Hilux 4WD or Landcruiser and im sold.
 
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