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I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland -maybe NOT!!

cmayna

cmayna

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This is a first for me for I have no one to blame but myself. Now I'm starting to understand what's it like being human. I should have studied more, asked more questions, etc. But "oh well"......

In a nutshell, these manifolds were last used with a automatic transmission. The exit is pointing pretty horizontally towards the rear. With the Zbar in relaxed position with the lower arm forward, the arm cuts right through the exhaust. This lower arm get's so close to the exit opening that there is no way to fit a small 90 degree pipe, etc. The pipe would also need to be crimped. This exit hole also faces someone outward aim very close to the steering box wanting to go between the steering box and the lower arm with a gap of about 1-1/2".

Here's my current set up. Note how horizontally the exhaust exits.

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Here's a LH manifold on ebay supplied to me today by John of ORP. Note how it points more toward the ground:

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Here's some pics I took today showing the interference:


See how it points somewhat towards the steering box?
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Another angle:
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Thus I am planning to either find a single LH manual transmission Cleveland 4v manifold or at worst case another set. No matter what I get, I'm going to be hosting yet another party but this time called "yank and drop" with us pulling the motor, swapping the manifold(s) and dropping the motor back in.

Crap!!! :po
 
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Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Crap man, you have to pull the motor to R&R the manifold???? That sucks Craig, but good for more friendly "face" time.


Are you sure Duane hasn't been secretly helping you? :craz
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Thats a bummer, is it that tight with the shock tower that you cant get to the manifold with the engine in the car? Either way, that sucks craig...
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

I will first attempt to pull the manifold without removing the motor but If I end up replacing both left and right and with the fact that I need to scrap off the copper RTV high temp gasket maker, it probably be much easier to do it with the motor pulled. Need to have a few brews to ponder my next move.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Are your sure you can't unbolt the mount on that side and tilt the engine a bit to wrestle it out?
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Dude, I hope you don't have to pull it. If so, better now than after everything else is hooked up. I swear I didn't send my karma your way...and Mark.....I'm saving all my "assistance" for a trip to Kansas!!!!
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

How about fabricating an equalizer bar to fit?

Mustang Pony Cars just did this with the 71 Q code 4 speed convertible they are putting together for a customer.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Ouch, my sympathies Craig. Sounds like something I'd do...
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Bad news! I wouldn't have guessed the manual trans manifolds were different, WTF?!

You'll need more beer for the hoisting party....
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

"pprince" said:
How about fabricating an equalizer bar to fit?
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+1..Was thinking same thing. With the money you already put into those manifolds, I think I would investigate that avenue first.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

One other thing to contemplate would be ditching the z-bar and using a hydraulic clutch. If you have the slave cylinder mounted on the firewall, you can route the hydraulic line any way you want. In other words, no clearance issues with pretty much ANY exhaust.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

His clutch lever isn't set up to hydraulic
Dammed !!
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Craig, relax. ditch the Z bar. they suck! I had one on my 67 and on a 66 I owned. Back in the early 80s, I had to have a set of headers cut and modified with a plate that could be unbolted and the lower section of the header could be removed in order to get the headers I wanted in a 4 spd car.

I like John's solution! Once you use a hydraulic clutch on that beast, you will never regret the decision to put it on. It is just super nice.

That solves all you issues and you have some awesome looking exhaust manifolds.

Once you go hydraulic you'll never go back!

Mel
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

I also think hydraulic setup would be easier and cheaper in the long run. It's not like you're trying to go for originality points. Then you could sell the Z-bar and recoup some funds into the new setup.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

"69RestoRod" said:
I also think hydraulic setup would be easier and cheaper in the long run. It's not like you're trying to go for originality points. Then you could sell the Z-bar and recoup some funds into the new setup.
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+1 but still need to change the clutch lever setup ... so .. trans and bell must go out.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Yeah, but if he has the right jack he can do that solo. I've done it with an c-4 myself several times with the wrong jack.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Nope, don't necessarily like the Hydraulic clutch set up. I'd rather consider modifying the Z bar. John of ORP also mentioned that this might be a choice but will take a lot of research and measuring. Yesterday I had already considered modifying the bar by pushing the lower arm closer to the motor to allow more space between the lower arm and the steering box. But when you do this, you distort the angle of the lower adjusting rod than connects between lower Zbar arm to clutch form.

I do NOT want to end up with a mickey mouse setup. If I need to swap out the manifolds I will do so and hopefully recoup some of my new costs by selling the current manifolds.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

As said.Think twice and do it once.You couldn't forsee this.
 
Re: I am very pissed at myself. Gonna have to pull the Cleveland

Craig, that sucks!

At least you have a ready, willing and able support crew at disposal. Just let me know when to be there.

Hang in there pal.
 
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