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Toyota Recall: What do you think?

Sluggo, my comment was not about unionized, or how many parts were USA. My comment was,
We need to be self sufficient and getting foreign mfgers in here to build their product and take the money out of the country is just as disgusting as our companies out sourcing the jobs out of the country.
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I don't like the way our jobs are outsourced and I don't like foreign mfgers in here building their product either. I can say that when my Mom bought the first Honda in 1972, I was a kid. I remember her second Honda in 1979 and I was in HS, Jimmy Carter was president. I said then and still maintain that these foreign cars are bad for our economy. I was right then as can be seen by GM and Chrysler and their issues. Many were self induced, I admit. But none of the foreign cars have been good for our economy no matter how many US jobs they have created!

There is no argument about that, since it is plain as the nose on anyone's face.

Sluggo, I am happy you have been treated well by them, I do not agree that it is in our (The US) best interest for us to have foreign companies in here doing what we should be doing!

I do not agree with the outsourced jobs and such the domestic companies have done over the years. My original comment had nothing to do with unions, or outsourcing of parts, it had to do with the fact that we as a country should be doing neither!

Just MHO.

No Toyota's or Honda's or any other foreign owned companies cars in my driveway! I also will try to buy cars from domestics that use the fewest outsourced parts and jobs possible! Hard to do, but, it is my way.

I told you we sould have moved this to the political lounge....hehehehe

Mel
 
Mel,

So by your logic, GM, Ford and Chrysler shouldn't be welcome to sell cars in other countries that have their own auto producers? Wouldn't that hurt the USA? The fact is, competition is necessary for consumers to have the best possible products to buy. Due to the competition from these outside automakers, the big 3 finally stepped up their game. I understand the emotion involved, and I too would rather buy an American car. However, I work hard for my money and will buy the best product period.
 
"monkeystash" said:
Mel,

So by your logic, GM, Ford and Chrysler shouldn't be welcome to sell cars in other countries that have their own auto producers? Wouldn't that hurt the USA? The fact is, competition is necessary for consumers to have the best possible products to buy. Due to the competition from these outside automakers, the big 3 finally stepped up their game. I understand the emotion involved, and I too would rather buy an American car. However, I work hard for my money and will buy the best product period.
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I would rather keep my money in the bank and buy nothing than to buy a foreign car.

It is after all my opinion. I said before it was bad for our economy and I was 18 and some 30 years later, I was right. All this outsourcing has caused us to not have many of our electronics made here and many other products we myself included can not live without.

My main point is self sufficiency and we as a country are far from it. Just like your personal affairs you are much better off if you can be self sufficient. Our country needs to be able to produce what we need. As far as other countries, they already do that with tariffs. Our cars are more expensive in many other countries than they are here.

The entire reason Japan, Korea and others build cars here is to avoid the tariffs. Toyota for example when I lived in SoCal would import the trucks and build the bed here so they could say a certain % of the truck was built here and avoid the tariffs.

Again my main point is we need to be self sufficient. We also need to expose the foreign mfgers when they make mistakes, just like we do the domestics. the foreign cars are not and never will be the be all end all!

Mel
 
My opinion:
It is highly unusual to suspend car sales with a recall. I can't remember if this has happened in the past, and just curious what the implications are to Toyota's bottom line, both short-term and long-term. I have read that GM is offering incentives to Toyota owners if they buy a new GM car.

I have heard several things about this recall: Toyota is instituting a fix, yet doesn't actually know what the problem is. How can this be true? I'd love to see an engineering investigation on this problem. I am not sure anyone knows the truth.

I have read from many of you (you paying attention, Mel?) that it is very bad for the profits to be taken out of the US to foreign companies like Toyota. Unless the company is privately owned, there is nothing to prevent you from buying shares of Toyota on the Japanese stock market and reward yourself with their profits. The profits are shared among the share holders, and there is nothing that says share holders must be Japanese. Similarly, you'd be surprised how many foreigners own stock in American companies, such as Ford, GE, Catepillar, etc. By the arguments put forth, those stockholders don't deserve profits derived from American companies.
 
"guruatbol" said:
But none of the foreign cars have been good for our economy no matter how many US jobs they have created!

There is no argument about that, since it is plain as the nose on anyone's face.
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Mel,
How can you say that? How were you right? There's alot of reasons why the economy is where it's at, it's not just the foreign car companies. Yes, the company profits are leaving the US. But the salaries of the employees are staying the in the country and thus boosting the economy. How is that bad of our economy?

Are you saying the US would be better off if we kicked out all the foreign owned companies? Have you ever worked for a company that has been owned wholly or partially by a foreign entity?

Well, you are right on one account...this is getting too political. So, I'm outta here. :dh
 
"Midlife" said:
My opinion:
It is highly unusual to suspend car sales with a recall. I can't remember if this has happened in the past, and just curious what the implications are to Toyota's bottom line, both short-term and long-term. I have read that GM is offering incentives to Toyota owners if they buy a new GM car.

I have heard several things about this recall: Toyota is instituting a fix, yet doesn't actually know what the problem is. How can this be true? I'd love to see an engineering investigation on this problem. I am not sure anyone knows the truth.

I have read from many of you (you paying attention, Mel?) that it is very bad for the profits to be taken out of the US to foreign companies like Toyota. Unless the company is privately owned, there is nothing to prevent you from buying shares of Toyota on the Japanese stock market and reward yourself with their profits. The profits are shared among the share holders, and there is nothing that says share holders must be Japanese. Similarly, you'd be surprised how many foreigners own stock in American companies, such as Ford, GE, Catepillar, etc. By the arguments put forth, those stockholders don't deserve profits derived from American companies.
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All Safety related recalls can and usually do result in a stop sale.
 
I'd say they made the right moves here. Acting swiftly to fix the problem. It will no doubt be a heavy pricetag to overcome but in the long run, I think most believe they have chosen the right path.
 
[quoteLets hope like hell no other manufacturers are sourcing pedals fro CTS. I'm afraid that's prolly (hehehe, Cloney) going to prove to be wishful thinking.][/quote]


I would suspect Toyota designed and tested the parts, so they are hardly the victim here. After all the name on the car is toyota, not CTS. :bike
 
"beach pony" said:
I'd say they made the right moves here. Acting swiftly to fix the problem. It will no doubt be a heavy pricetag to overcome but in the long run, I think most believe they have chosen the right path.
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I don't think it is fair to say they acted swiftly. They have been trying to hide this one for a LONG time now. Just couldn't keep a lid on it or I think it safe to assume would still be going on business as usual.
 
"turq66" said:
[quoteLets hope like hell no other manufacturers are sourcing pedals fro CTS. I'm afraid that's prolly (hehehe, Cloney) going to prove to be wishful thinking.]


I would suspect Toyota designed and tested the parts, so they are hardly the victim here. After all the name on the car is toyota, not CTS. :bike
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I would assume they set the parameters for how the part operates and affixes to the vehicle. The two assemblies look completely different.
Agreed they are not the victim. Regardless of the source they have a responsibility to test the part and to continually monitor it's production for changes in quality and/or operation.

I'm simply relaying information as I see it being a little closer to the source.

I don't think it is fair to say they acted swiftly. They have been trying to hide this one for a LONG time now. Just couldn't keep a lid on it or I think it safe to assume would still be going on business as usual.
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Swiftly, maybe not. Depends on your definition of swiftly. I'm a little disappointed that the pedal information was a slow to come out. I have had to explain the floor mat scenario many many times and now those people might possibly think that I was misleading them. Like what I have to say or not, (or believe me) I have witnessed the floor mat issue in person. It is a fact.
I'm glad they took the time to figure out which pedal has the problem and are addressing both issues. I'm a little surprised that they are going to continue their relationship with the vendor and let them rework the part. There's a lot more at stake than their reputation.
 
I'm a little surprised that they are going to continue their relationship with the vendor and let them rework the part.
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Sluggo, having worked with many vendors over the years, sometimes you have no choice. Sometimes the vendor made it worth our while and we were able to get a redesign. I do hope that Toyota will monitor them closer now on any parts they supply.

I am also glad that Toyota is holding the Vendor responsible. It is however, Toyota's ultimate responsibility to make sure there are no problems with the product they produce. If the floor mats are a problem this should have been caught in QC, not in the real world. Same with the pedal.

Many mfgers will try to cover up an issue, or try to keep it quiet and Toyota is no exception here. I doubt that they were trying to figure it out all this time. Like the competition, they knew about it and were taking their time to figure out how to get past it with the least damage or damage control.

I don't know for sure, but I would guess that the NHTSB or whatever the darn board it, got involved before Toyota actually issued the recall. 99.9% of the auto makers do that. I know from personal research and experience. I was involved in a law suite with an auto maker regarding a safety recall that was known and not issued.

Just my .02. I hope it is more on track. We kinda got derailed for a bit. Sorry.

Mel
 
I shake my head at the extreme views held by some.

We are in a global economy.

By the argument that there should be no foreign mfr'ers in the US then that same argument holds that the US mfg'ers should not be in other countries.

Then you get down to raw materials. Someone says the US should be self sufficient. Don't import ANYTHING?

This is so simplistic to be funny. All of a sudden there are large amounts of electricity, wood, natural gas and oil that the states stops buying. What happens then?
 
Take the swiftly comment for what it is...every manufacturer drags it out as much as possible to save cost until the safety component becomes the trump card. What bothers me is that even the pedal piece seems to be just a part of the issue. As I understand it, the pedal defect is about a condition of wear that causes the pedal to move back to idle position more slowly. If that's the case, it certainly doesn't answer the acceleration issue. I think before this is done they will find/admit that there is an electronic bit to the puzzle as well.
 
Mel,
You are hearing different things than I am hearing.

The mfg'er of the pedals is CTS and they are saying Toyota designed the pedal and are responsible.

I am in QC and I know you cannot catch everything.

Rose coloured glasses are simply a fantasy.
 
"pprince" said:
Mel,
You are hearing different things than I am hearing.

The mfg'er of the pedals is CTS and they are saying Toyota designed the pedal and are responsible.

I am in QC and I know you cannot catch everything.

Rose coloured glasses are simply a fantasy.
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I agree with you. I worked in QC for a while before the Law Enforcement career. You can not catch everything, but these have been out for a long time. Look at how many models are affected. With that many even random sampling would or should have caught it.

Oh, and it is Toyota's responsibility. Doesn't matter if they designed it or not.

Mel
 
Two things that blows my mind about reliability is poor bearings and brakes.

It seems replacing wheel bearings is a very common thing and yet wheel bearings have been around since day one.

And chitty brakes. GM's have been known for poor quality for years.

My 2008 Ford Fusion has had 2 warranty repairs: bearing on the awd driveshaft and one brake caliper stuck.
 
Yea, brakes are an issue. it has occured to me than many auto makers do not put enough brake on their cars. Ford is notorious for using small brakes for the application. I had to replace the rotors almost every time on the Sable and the Excursion... Well, I had to spend a bunch of money to upgrade the rotors and use the 911 pads so they stay OK.

The F350...well we used the highest end rotors we could get. They need to be turned already. I see I am going to have to upgrade those too.

I had a Ford E150 and had to have Ford replace the entire front brake system in order to get more than 3000 miles from a brake change. I had to replace the rotors and calipers twice in 6000 miles along with pads and etc. Ford made it good and completely replaced the entire braking system and then I got 10000 miles from a set of pads and 20000 miles from a set of rotors.

I don't have any Toyotas, so maybe Sluggo can give us some insight into this from his perspective.

It seems many car makers cut corners here. You would think they would want this potential liability to be nipped in the bud.

Mel
 
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