Sluggo
Active Member
"Horseplay" said:
We share this opinion.
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Toyota Recall: What do you think?
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We share this opinion.
Sluggo
Active Member
"guruatbol" said:
Sometimes the bean counters win the argument, that is until the warranty expense exceeds the initial expense.
Toyota has made that mistake on brake sizing in the past. They got the hint after repeated warranty claims and increased the brake sizing across the board. Take a look at the brakes on a new Tundra. Previous Tundra models (and the T-100) were attempts at build a full size truck using as much existing hardware as possible. The new Tundra (07-up) was finally purpose built and is actually a pretty awesome truck. No major issues with it til now.
I have to give them credit, they are pretty good about stepping up. They replaced what seemed like gazillions of 3.0 and 3.4 V6 headgaskets (many needing short blocks) way out of warranty, and a metric sh!tload of Camry/Avalon/Sienna/ES300 V6s with oil gelling concerns.
RyanG85
Well-Known Member
Quality control seems to be a thing of the past. Its good to see some steps being taken to improve quality but they all still have a long way to go.
In my shop, I'm amazed how many of the same issues I see year after year, model after model from manufacturers. Chevy with intermediate steering shaft problems and wheel bearings, Dodge with ball joints, tie rods and everything else suspension and all manufacturers with brake problems.
After working on late model crap every day, its a breath of fresh air working on classic.
In my shop, I'm amazed how many of the same issues I see year after year, model after model from manufacturers. Chevy with intermediate steering shaft problems and wheel bearings, Dodge with ball joints, tie rods and everything else suspension and all manufacturers with brake problems.
After working on late model crap every day, its a breath of fresh air working on classic.
guruatbol
Always on vacation!
It's the Microsoft philosophy. Get it to work and send it out and let the consumer find the problems so they can publish a patch or service pack.
Same type of QC.
When I worked QC, I used to get in trouble because I was too picky! They gave me a sample of perfect and one of unacceptable and if in my opinion a product was at the unacceptable level I would reject it. I got transferred to a different location with a different product. I was told whatever Russ says is good enough. We had an entire shipment Russ said was good and I stamped and when it came back, I got in deep trouble. Many years later I was a Lieutenant on the special needs yard and who do I see walking to chow? Russ. hehehehe
Mel
Same type of QC.
When I worked QC, I used to get in trouble because I was too picky! They gave me a sample of perfect and one of unacceptable and if in my opinion a product was at the unacceptable level I would reject it. I got transferred to a different location with a different product. I was told whatever Russ says is good enough. We had an entire shipment Russ said was good and I stamped and when it came back, I got in deep trouble. Many years later I was a Lieutenant on the special needs yard and who do I see walking to chow? Russ. hehehehe
Mel
JeffTepper
Well-Known Member
Mel:
FWIW my son drives a '96 Camry he inherited from his grandmother, who bought it new, and the front brakes made it past 100,000 before needing replacement while the rear drums still have plenty of meat on them at 120,000 miles. Like it or not, that car has been an extremely reliable and economical transportation appliance.
If one were to fully embrace the buy American philosophy, one's clothing, food, and pretty much every other consumer commodity sold by WalMart should be "Made in USA". I suspect that is not the case.
FWIW my son drives a '96 Camry he inherited from his grandmother, who bought it new, and the front brakes made it past 100,000 before needing replacement while the rear drums still have plenty of meat on them at 120,000 miles. Like it or not, that car has been an extremely reliable and economical transportation appliance.
If one were to fully embrace the buy American philosophy, one's clothing, food, and pretty much every other consumer commodity sold by WalMart should be "Made in USA". I suspect that is not the case.
daveSanborn
Active Member
Wow... my eye's hurt from reading this one.
My two cents.
Investigations into problems of this nature are time consuming. I work in this field on a daily basis and the "wheels do not move as fast as they should". All of the i's need to be dotted and all of the t's crossed before any decision is made.
Example.
We discovered in the spring of 2008 a quality escape from one of our foreign suppliers who manufactures a hydromechanical control unit. Four wires attached to the torque motor valve were not crimped properly and were becoming detached in use. These four wires are one third of a redundant system whereas if one pair of wires fails the other pair will still allow perfect function. If all four wire connections fail, a mechanical (third) redundant feature provides partial control allowing the 40 million dollar aircraft to continue flight within full control. Part of this process is determining the Hazard Risk Index (HRI). The "fix" unfortunately is directly related to the HRI. In this particular case our HRI was rather low and it took almost 2 years to mandate a recall of the effected components.
Unfortunately, on a daily basis we continue to operate our inventory of naval aircraft with known safety issues. It's a matter of accepted risk.
My two cents.
Investigations into problems of this nature are time consuming. I work in this field on a daily basis and the "wheels do not move as fast as they should". All of the i's need to be dotted and all of the t's crossed before any decision is made.
Example.
We discovered in the spring of 2008 a quality escape from one of our foreign suppliers who manufactures a hydromechanical control unit. Four wires attached to the torque motor valve were not crimped properly and were becoming detached in use. These four wires are one third of a redundant system whereas if one pair of wires fails the other pair will still allow perfect function. If all four wire connections fail, a mechanical (third) redundant feature provides partial control allowing the 40 million dollar aircraft to continue flight within full control. Part of this process is determining the Hazard Risk Index (HRI). The "fix" unfortunately is directly related to the HRI. In this particular case our HRI was rather low and it took almost 2 years to mandate a recall of the effected components.
Unfortunately, on a daily basis we continue to operate our inventory of naval aircraft with known safety issues. It's a matter of accepted risk.